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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 436 for the 26th of every

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2017 Richard Saunders here with you from

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slightly overcast but a bit cooler thank

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goodness Sydney Australia I hope we have

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seen the end of the heat waves until

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next year and I'm looking forward to

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some some cooler days ahead coming up on

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this week's episode of the skeptic zone

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an old favorite returns dr. Rachel dr.

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Rachel Dunlop who's currently working

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and studying in the United States brings

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us a report in dr. ET reports about the

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health ranger one Mike Adams and his

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recent troubles and tribulations with

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Google and Google searches looks like

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Google's had enough of Mike Adams and

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his outrageous website find out what the

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story is behind the story with dr.

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Reggie reports the welcome return of dr.

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Richie coming up at the top of the show

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following that it's an update to a story

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we brought you last week about a

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therapeutic touch clinic in a university

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here in Australia therapeutic touch

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magic touch Healing Touch you may well

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remember this is where people wave their

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hands over patients or other people and

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think they are manipulating energies

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unknown to science that's that's sort of

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it in a nutshell nutcase find out the

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update to the story we brought you last

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week coming up a bit later on also

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coming up its take stock with Shelly

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stockin shelly is going to be looking at

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the interesting case we have of robert f

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kennedy jr. teaming up it seems with the

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actor robert de niro in trying to offer

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some sort of a prize about the safety of

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vaccine it's all very confusing anyway

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Shelly has a very interesting take on

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this whole matter that's take stock with

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the Shelly stockin also as ever it's

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a half from Australia science TV this

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week with ben lewis looking at heat and

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keeping your cool in the heat then i

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convention being held for the last few

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latest news i heard is the one this year

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looks like it's not going ahead which is

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a pity cuz it was always very

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interesting nevertheless hear about para

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con 2016 ah from my point of view I was

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a guest speaker then to round off the

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show we have a magic spell we have the

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reading of a spell it's called the

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binding spell that's being put out there

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witches which is all around the world of

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are encouraged it seems to read or the

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recital invoke whatever they do a spell

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against Donald Trump goodness me I

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wonder if the Secret Service are worried

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we're going to read you this spell see

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what you think it's um I think it's a

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bit of fun really I hope it's a bit of

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fun that's magic spells and Donald Trump

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coming up at the end of the show now

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before we get stuck into the first

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report with dr. HC a little update now

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this is to do with a movie of axed which

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we report about frequently what I would

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encourage all listeners to do for an

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update on the current situation rather

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than me tell you all about it which

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would take a while please listen to the

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ESP the European skeptics podcast and

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latest episode covers this topic very

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well we have special guest Michael

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and Fiona O'Leary from Ireland who is

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this topic so we head for the ESP

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certainly encourage all this and is to

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listen that podcast anyway I enjoyed

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every week well that's enough for me at

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the moment I'm going to run downstairs

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now it's time for dr. Rachel reports

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with dr. Rachel Dunlop hello listeners

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and welcome to dr. Richie reports after

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a long absence I am back to talk to you

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about Mike Adams and natural news some

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of you may be aware that on Wednesday

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febru 22nd natural news was delisted by

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Google now all 140,000 pages of the

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quirkiest most anti science website on

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the internet were suddenly not appearing

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in google searches if you're not

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familiar with natural news and as a

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skeptic you should be because keep your

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friends close and your enemies closer as

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they say it's a natural health website

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that sells everything from water filters

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to superfoods has never met a conspiracy

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theory it doesn't like loves Trump and

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heats vaccines Mike Adams or the health

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ranger as he calls himself is the

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founder he is a self-styled scientist

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who screeches about liberty and freedom

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claims that Sandy Hook was a false flag

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that the 2012 Aurora cinemas shooting

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was a result of antidepressants he's an

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AIDS denier he hates big farmer his ax

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Bertha a 911 truther and he regularly

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and frankly liable as blogs about them

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Adams so not only is the information on

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his site usually inaccurate it's also

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offensive Mike Adams has gone so far as

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to ask anti-gmo activists to kill

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scientists and science journalists in a

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blog post he wrote quote it is the moral

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right and even the obligation of human

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beings everywhere to actively plan and

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carry out the killing of those engaged

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in heinous crimes against humanity the

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blog post was entitled biotech genocide

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Monsanto collaborators and the Nazi

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legacy of science as justification for

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the Google delisting was very rational

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and calm he said in an interview on a

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podcast quote they're literally coming

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for us we are really the only thing

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standing in their way in between the

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globalists and their total global

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domination plan and they might be

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and they are willing to Nick a city the

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end justifies the means you are

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witnessing a modern-day high-tech

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lynching google has become a dangerous

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monopoly that's suppressing human

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knowledge it's unlawful and politically

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motivated censorship must be stopped for

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the health and safety of all Americans

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yes not a little bit hysterical is it so

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here's what Mike Adams thinks happened

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he says that he was approached last week

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to take down Alex Jones and Alex Jones

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some of you will know it's the host and

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the founder of info wars which is an

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equally conspiracy ridden historical

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site online he was offered $50,000 to

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take down Alex Jones he doesn't explain

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what the takedown means but he refused

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to do so and he says that this is a

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google has said what happened and this

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information comes from Mike Adams I

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statement but Mike Adams said on a blog

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that google says naturalnews have

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breached their terms of service by

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running an unapproved ad network on 13

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natural news now this if it's true

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suggest that as soon as natural news

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fixes this and removes this ad network

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Google will reinstate the site but Mike

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in his own words is complete

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regardless of whether this is

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the case and this is just a technical

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Mike's already descended way down the

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rabbit hole to care about facts and

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evidence well not that he ever did to be

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honest he's responded by creating a

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White House petition to save natural

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news which already has forty thousand

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signatures but needs a hundred thousand

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so tell your friends and he started a

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grassroots social media campaign called

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hashtag save natural news and hashtag

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boycott Google he's also calling for

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conspiracy of course it always is with

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these people so here's a little excerpt

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from one of the podcasts mike has put

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out in the last few days he has been

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from frantic and prolific about

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reporting on this issue so here he is in

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his own words why is the health ranger

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so dangerous that an order from the deep

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state had to be issued in in my view

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this is what I think happened to censor

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naturalnews based on some arcane

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technicality that they could find and

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justify even though they don't apply the

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same rules to their own websites in

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other words google has now had to declaw

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flight Klingons they've had to decloak

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to fire this assault against free speech

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they really are they are truly evil they

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have become the evil that they once said

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they would fight against they have

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become the Ministry of Truth they have

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become or well in their engaged in

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outright outrageous censorship they will

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silence voices that they don't like

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based on their opinions alone and they

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are a monopoly over the search market in

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in the internet on online everywhere

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these are dangerous times my friends

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dangerous times there's Mike Adams

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himself so interestingly and this is not

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necessarily related to this particular

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case but some people may recall that in

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2015 Google actually proposed to stop

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ranking results based on an algorithm

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that favors popularity and instead to

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give a strong preference to websites and

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posts that are actually factually

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correct but i'm not aware that google

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has plans to shut down sites altogether

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that contain inaccurate information

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but none of this matters to Mike Adams

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the health ranger at the time of going

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to air the site is still not indexed

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there's no indication of what is

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and mikey is still throwing toys out of

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the pram and claiming censorship and

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conspiracy as he does best we wait to

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see what happens but in the meantime the

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Tantrums are epic and until next time

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this has been dr. Reggie reports

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extraordinary claims we investigate them

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we go undercover with fringe religious

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groups investigate paranormal claims and

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we participate in pseudo scientific

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medical treatments and then report our

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findings to you and yes we've even

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investigated Scientology watch new

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episodes every month at maximum fun org

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Oh No Ross and Carrie they show up so

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you don't have to

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now you may well remember that last week

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we brought you the story of James Cook

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University in Townsville in North

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Queensland Far North Queensland that was

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operating on its campus a therapeutic

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touch or healing touch or magic touch or

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a insert your pseudoscience here

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touch clinic and in the past week or

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since the news broke should I say they

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received no end of derision ridicule

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comment all that sort of stuff so we'd

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like to announce an update in this comes

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courtesy of the Australian skeptics

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website skeptics dot com au which we

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frequently refer to by Tim mendham

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published on the twenty-first of

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februari 2017 update James Cook

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University JCU closes Healing Touch

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clinic James Cook University has issued

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a short statement saying that it has

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closed a Healing Touch clinic that had

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been operating on its Townsville campus

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quote the clinic had been run by Healing

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Touch Townsville where the clinic's

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conducted for a few hours every

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fortnight in a jcu building on the

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campus JC you had no contractual or

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financial relationships of the clinic

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and was not involved in the running of

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the clinic jcu staff were not employed

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to work at the clinic James Cook

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University has decided that the clinic

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will no longer operate on its campus jcu

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does not promote nor teach Healing Touch

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in its science based nursing programs

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end quote healing or therapeutic touch

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as it is promoted is a pseudoscience

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through and through it might be nice to

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have someone wave their hands over you

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enabling the practitioners to detect and

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manipulate what they say is the

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patient's energy field but it is similar

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in just a scientific IE not as Reiki and

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the laying on of hands

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practices of faith healers by the way

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don't stand at the foot of a patient as

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you might get bad energy flicked all

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over you by the practitioner now as an

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aside that refers to the video supplied

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last week via the ABC website to ABC in

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Australia where the practitioner was

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waving her hands over a patient ending

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up at his foot and drawing negative

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energy up through his shoes yep it

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looked as ridiculous as it sounds the

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University said the clinic had nothing

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to do with them however some of the

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issues raised included that the clinic

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was located in a university building on

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campus that they had leased out to

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various organizations a senior lecturer

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at JC used college of health care

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sciences center for nursing and

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midwifery research was a supporter she

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also promoted a quote Healing Touch

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level one master class and quote on the

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university's website last year and a

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practitioner had been photographed

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wearing a J see you should be

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revelations about the clinics

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association with the University however

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tenuous obviously hurt so

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congratulations for them for eventually

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acting decisively the Healing Touch

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clinic is now looking for a new home

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quote due to recent events end quote and

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again thank you to Tim mendham at

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Australian skeptics skeptics calmed are

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you for that update on the healing touch

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magic touch wishful thinking touch story

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and yes if you want to have a good laugh

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check these show notes and see this in

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action or you can simply google healing

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touch therapeutic touch and see people

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waving their hands over other people

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it's really does seem to be a classic

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case of the deluded treating the deluded

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I mean well put yourself in the shoes as

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long as the energy doesn't pour out

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through the shoes of maybe an elderly

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patient why not why not give it a go

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there's some nice know

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or someone calling themselves a

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practitioner willing to spend time with

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you and I can see the appeal the pity is

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it doesn't do anything thank you to the

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Australian skeptics website skeptics

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conga day you go there now go there now

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you can read lots of news stories like

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that scroll down to the bottom of the

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main page the home page and you can sign

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and information as it happens from

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there to are the Australian skeptics

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Twitter feed as well and the link of

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course to the skeptic magazine and while

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you're there you can help yourself to

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over 35 years of issues free to download

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skeptics calm not a you hi this is Heidi

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Robertson from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters we are a group of

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concerned citizens dedicated to

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promoting good science and common sense

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in our region the far north coast of New

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South Wales this area are famous for its

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natural beauty and relaxed lifestyle

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also has the lowest rates of vaccination

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in Australia we are out to change that

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by challenging the myths and

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misinformation and by providing good

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evidence based information to the

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community we'd love for you no matter

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where you are in the world to join our

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fight please visit our webpage at ww

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nrvs info we also have a link there to

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our facebook page tweet us at in our fax

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supporters that's vix and check us out

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on Wikipedia by searching for Northern

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Rivers

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vaccination supporters thank you

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interesting claims questioning take

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stock with shelley stalkin hi I'm Shelly

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stockin and today i'm talking about

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anti-vaccine actors by now you've

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probably heard about the press

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conference held last week by robert f

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kennedy jr. and his world mercury

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project which launched a challenge to

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find quote a peer-reviewed scientific

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study demonstrating that thimerosal is

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safe in the amounts contained in

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vaccines currently being administered to

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american children and pregnant women end

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quote prominently featured in the

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promotion of this challenge and present

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at the media conference was robert de

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niro who most recently dipped his toe in

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the cauldron of vaccine denial when he

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included then canceled a showing of

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andrew Wakefield's baxter documentary at

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his 2016 tribeca film festival i like

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many others watching on have been asking

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myself what is De Niro got to do with

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vaccine safety he's an actor for crying

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out loud if like me you've ever

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applauded a performance by De Niro in a

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feature film the sight of him sitting

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mostly mute at this outpouring of

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well-worn debunked anti-vaccine tropes

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parading as a press conference is both

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sad and baffling sad because it's hard

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to accept that De Niro who has an

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autistic son has been tempted by the

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poisoned Apple of vaccine denialism

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baffling because even if De Niro had a

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strong evidence based message to share

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concerning vaccine safety sitting on a

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stool in a press club with his mouth

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shut isn't a very good way to share it

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De Niro's and actor his most effective

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medium of communication his film so I

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thought why did I pitch him a screenplay

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so he can really get his or rather

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Kennedy's message across to his usual

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audience

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so here it is my pitch I hope you're

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listening mr. De Niro as i present to

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you finding mercury a film by me the

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opening credits fade as we begin the

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first scene interior police chief

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Kennedy's office day detective De Niro

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enters De Niro you wanted to see me sir

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Kennedy close the door De Niro closes

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the door behind him looking interested

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Kennedy I got something for you

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something big De Niro what kind of thing

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Kennedy it's kind of a missing persons

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case De Niro what a World War you know

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that's not my style I do funny grandpa's

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mobsters stuff like that Kennedy don't

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give me any stick over this you're all

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we have De Niro what about Wakefield big

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tree one of those guys Kennedy they

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ain't doing so well at the box office if

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you know what I mean De Niro hmm okay

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what exactly am I looking for Kennedy we

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want you to find safe vaccines De Niro

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safe what exactly do you mean by safe

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Kennedy well you know vaccines without

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samira's famous or mercury in them De

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Niro wasn't mercury removed from all

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vaccines in the childhood schedule back

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in the 90s Kennedy god damage you'll

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have to go deeper than that De Niro get

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out and don't come back until you find

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me a safe vaccine according to my very

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specific definition of safe which could

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change at any time time passes exterior

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a park bench in a city somewhere day

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police chief Kennedy sits on a bench in

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as Detective De Niro approaches he looks

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up giving a slight nod hello De Niro

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chief Kennedy it's a good day for good

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news Bob you got any De Niro sits down

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slowly next to Kennedy on the bench they

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both look out into the distance De Niro

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thing is chief I asked around I spoke to

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doctors nurses scientists busy moms and

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they all pointed to the kids kids chief

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thousands of them running around in

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playgrounds schools malls everywhere it

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was as if they'd never even heard of

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polio or mumps or subacute sclerosing

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panencephalitis and you know what

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Kennedy tell me DeNiro not one of those

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kids could tell me where the safe

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vaccines were not one I got nothing for

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you chief Kennedy looks down at his feet

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I knew it there are no safe vaccines

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fade out and now direct from the cafe at

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Australia's science channel its brouhaha

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with men Lewis it's hot across Australia

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so let's talk survival if you don't

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drink enough water to replace the extra

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sweat you're losing your blood could

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become so thick your heart will have

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trouble pumping it around your body then

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if your organs don't get enough blood

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eventually they'll stop working and you

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don't need us to tell you that's a bad

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thing meanwhile the heat can affect you

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directly at some point your body just

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says no more if your core temperature

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rises to above 40 degrees your body

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essentially cooks itself from the inside

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out the cells that make up your organs

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become damaged and that causes your

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organs to start shutting down in extreme

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cases it can even cause cells to die and

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once that happens there's no going back

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it's kind of like a computer shutting

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itself off when it overheats if the

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circuit melts you're never turning it

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back on so keep drinking water keep the

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air moving around you to help evaporate

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sweat and don't stay outside for too

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long but it's looking like our summers

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are going to be more brutal no matter

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what so we're just going to have to cope

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for more brouhaha and Australian science

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head for ww Australia science TV

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you

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[Music]

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perak on a paranormal convention right

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here in sydney australia but i thought i

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would read to you my report of the

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paranormal convention Eric on last year

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now listeners may remember that Maynard

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and I reported alive well almost live

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from perricone in 2016 and you can hear

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those interviews and reports on episode

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number 397 and 398 of the skeptic zone

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from May and June 2016 but the overall

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report was published in the pages of the

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skeptic v magazine from Australian

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skeptics as follows skeptical adventures

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and a paranormal convention Richard

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Saunders reports on para con held at the

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Carrington hotel katoomba in the blue

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mountains west of Sydney 28 to the 29th

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of may 2016 in 2014 skeptic zone

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reporter Maynard and I attended a day at

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Paragon a paranormal conference held at

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the old Maitland jail we were treated

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well and had an interesting day

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attending talks and interviewing various

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speakers those interviews can be heard

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by listening to the skeptic Zone number

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290 so months ago I was asked by the

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organizers of this year's event if I

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would like to give a talk and I jumped

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at the chance upon arrival of the

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carrington hotel I was greeted

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enthusiastically by Alex chaos the

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director of the event whom I'd met

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several times before it was very little

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in the way of formalities so I soon

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found myself in the first session of the

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day and talk by the American ghost

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hunter Brian Kenner he told us of para

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philosophy the term he coined as a

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mash-up of paranormal and philosophy but

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I fear the talk was a little lost on me

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as it didn't seem to have a coherent

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thread he is also one of the many I have

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met her state quote I used to be a

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skeptic end quote now he calls himself a

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quote

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that means whatever he wants it to mean

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one of the things it does mean for him

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at least is the belief that animal

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spirits or their energy whatever that

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means can inflict real scratch marks on

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people I was interested however to hear

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him criticize those who use dowsing and

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do table tipping to contact the spirits

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until he comes up with good evidence for

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spirits using his methods we must assume

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that dowsing and table tipping are as

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good as many other methods believers

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used to contact the dead nevertheless he

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was an entertaining speaker next up was

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a talk that seemed to be trying to be at

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least somewhat skeptical but never

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really made it that far getting the

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living to listen critically exploring

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mediumship for better investigations the

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presenter Andrea kaldi told us she was

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herself a medium and the talk was not

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about how to convince skeptics a pity

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she claims to have been visited by a

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spirit who told her details about

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missing people she did however touch on

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some issues skeptics have known for many

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years including the feedback loop

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created by believers reinforcing the

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delusions of those psychics and such who

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really believe in their own powers also

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known as shadows towards the end of her

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talk she quoted John Horgan who recently

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spoke at the nces s nexus event in New

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York Horgan's talk an attack on The

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Skeptical movement has been widely

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criticized by amongst others dr. Steve

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novella as it seems he simply missed the

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point of the movement and is one of the

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endless number of people who think the

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skeptics in the words of David Gorski

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quote should stop caring about what you

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care about and care about what I care

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about instead because it's so much more

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important than what you care about end

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quote however this talk is given pseudo

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ammunition to various groups are sterile

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in big cats yes Panthers and possibly

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Lions were next on my list of talks

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however what was presented was photo

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after photo and video after video of

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feral cats which while not unexpected

645
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,279
was somewhat disappointing we also heard

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00:32:44,509 --> 00:32:41,440
an audio recording made some years ago

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of a woman whose car was attacked by a

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sound effect of a tiger or leopard maybe

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I'm being unfair but it did sound for

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all the world like a Hollywood sound

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00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:54,519
effect but then again I was not there at

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the time following that I viewed a pilot

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for a hoped-for new Australian TV series

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p I uncut which more or less followed

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00:33:11,250 --> 00:33:08,260
ghost investigations meowy hunters and

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UFO believers in an uncritical look at

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00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:14,139
their adventures sadly while the show

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was very well shot and produced no good

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00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:18,309
evidence for the paranormal was

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forthcoming but I don't think that was

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the point it was good in a nostalgic

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00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:27,370
sort of way to see long time yaoi big

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cat river monster hunter Rex Gilroy in

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attendance while I did not hear him talk

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he was on hand in the bookstore with

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many of his prized collection of plaster

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of Paris footprints allegedly made by

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what can only be described as a very

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very very large animals including giant

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birds cats and yes Yowies seeing these

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plaster casts up close is impressive and

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not impressive at the same time they

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seem to transcend a mystical line and

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cross over into the comical I would bet

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my next hot dinner that someone we are

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left to wonder who had a great time

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making these prints one way or another a

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skeptic takes the stage my talk on the

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Saturday night were skeptics guide to

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passing the million dollar challenge was

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very well attended and despite having to

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stop from time to time to cough or catch

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my breath

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went very well I should mention I was

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suffering a nasty chest infection during

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the conference it's rare indeed for a

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skeptic to talk to a room full of

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believers in the paranormal the

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questions after were thoughtful and

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showed people had gained much from what

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I had to say and Draya kaldi asked why

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we skeptics went after low-hanging fruit

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00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:56,800
or in other words what to her were easy

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00:35:02,040 --> 00:34:59,490
targets and not someone like John of God

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00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:02,050
again it seems she was referring to the

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00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:05,050
talk by John Horgan I replied that if

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any of the claims we tested turned out

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to be true it would be a revolution to

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science but also we are in fact very

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00:35:18,270 --> 00:35:14,200
critical of other claims but do they

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00:35:22,380 --> 00:35:18,280
come forward to us for testing UFO ET

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00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:22,390
and spirit contact panel I was joined on

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00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,090
Sunday by Maynard and together we sat in

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on a panel discussion that for this

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00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:30,910
seasoned skeptic was an eye-opening

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00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:33,430
experience on the stage to give their

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00:35:39,060 --> 00:35:36,550
points of view with Damien John not UFO

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00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:39,070
hunter cheryl god Sean UFO research

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00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:41,830
Queensland Marina Flynn the UFO research

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00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:45,490
new south wales and Barry Taylor anomaly

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00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:49,270
photographer it's very hard to sum up

712
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:51,820
the general discussion but here are some

713
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:54,970
of the highlights of things that were

714
00:36:01,590 --> 00:35:57,760
actually said from the stage to the

715
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:01,600
audience there has been a 70-year truth

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00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:04,270
embargo by the US government on UFO

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00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:07,840
Mathers ETS and interdimensional 'he's

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00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:11,440
are visiting earth there are new human

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hybrids on the planet one is called mere

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President Obama as one of his last acts

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00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:21,400
in office will disclose the truth about

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00:36:28,050 --> 00:36:25,510
UFOs President Clinton has one of her

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00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:28,060
first acts in office will disclose the

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00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:31,210
truth about UFOs there was a worldwide

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00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:35,680
UFO wave in the 1990s some people became

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00:36:41,550 --> 00:36:37,660
born-again Christians due to alien

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00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:41,560
contact aliens known as Grey's think of

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00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:43,710
the movie Close Encounters of the Third

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kind are here to make human-alien

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hybrids but are also vegetarian there is

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00:36:58,609 --> 00:36:54,089
a secret base at Pine Gap yes well we

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00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:58,619
know that but at this base they are and

733
00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:01,619
forgive me if I didn't get the details

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00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:04,920
exactly right here creating clone alien

735
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:08,609
robots that can abduct humans friends of

736
00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:11,220
one of the speakers had just tried to

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00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:15,270
break into Pine Gap as the discussion

738
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:16,740
progress that seemed to me that each

739
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:18,839
member of the panel was trying to outdo

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00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:20,970
the others in the grandeur of their

741
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:23,460
claims I really wondered how far these

742
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,859
claims would go before someone stood up

743
00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:28,140
and said something but it never happened

744
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:30,660
a trope emerged that I've heard many

745
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,490
times over the years from groups who

746
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:35,520
feel they have the truth but also feel

747
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:37,890
they are marginalized by the rest of the

748
00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:40,859
society such as creationist 911 truthers

749
00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:43,230
homeopaths and so on it goes something

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00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:46,109
like quote more and more people are

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00:37:51,859 --> 00:37:48,180
realizing that our point of view is true

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00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:51,869
end quote and quote any day now science

753
00:37:56,359 --> 00:37:53,640
will acknowledge our point of view end

754
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:56,369
quote this is akin to various religious

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00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:00,359
groups who use the cry of quote the end

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00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:03,330
time is near and quote to keep the

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00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:06,480
faithful on the hook trouble is the end

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00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:08,760
time never comes but that doesn't stop

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00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:12,300
the faithful the subject of the skeptics

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00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:15,300
was brought up but I don't think for one

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00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:17,190
moment it was due to my presence in the

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00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:19,950
audience I would imagine this is a

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00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:22,260
common subject and a common gripe

764
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:24,930
amongst believers in a telling moment

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00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:28,320
Damien John not said quote the skeptics

766
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:31,170
can shove it end quote but a moment

767
00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:34,380
later said they needed skeptics to keep

768
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:36,990
them honest from their point of view we

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00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:39,270
skeptics are indeed closed-minded as we

770
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:42,450
don't accept much if not all now over

771
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,770
the evidence put forward by the

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believers this evidence consists to a

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huge degree of stories of the quote it

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00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,790
happened to me I know what I saw in

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00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:56,880
quote variety also they go out of their

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00:39:00,030 --> 00:38:57,460
way to

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00:39:01,980 --> 00:39:00,040
collect such stories from like-minded

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00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:01,990
people who for whatever reason or

779
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:04,690
another claim to have had experiences

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00:39:12,329 --> 00:39:08,530
ranging from citing a UFO all the way to

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00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:12,339
being in contact with aliens so when

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00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:14,140
they say they have mountains of evidence

783
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:16,690
it seems in reality or they have our

784
00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:20,290
mountains of stories it is clear that

785
00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:22,630
these people place a great deal on

786
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:25,720
accounts of events and indeed to them

787
00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:27,910
the ultimate evidence short of a

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00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:29,470
spaceship landing on the White House

789
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:32,890
lawn would be a whistleblower from the

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00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:35,770
US military however as skeptics know

791
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:37,750
without extraordinary supporting

792
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:40,390
evidence it really doesn't matter who or

793
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:44,800
how high up the whistleblower is as the

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00:39:48,060 --> 00:39:46,150
panel progressed the belief

795
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,070
reinforcement loops in the room were

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00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:50,800
becoming almost visible to the naked eye

797
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,760
I lasted as long as I could my hands

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00:39:59,010 --> 00:39:57,040
tired from furiously scribbling notes

799
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but about three quarters of the way

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00:40:04,859 --> 00:40:01,540
through may not suggested we had outside

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00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:04,869
I think he could see my brain was about

802
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:08,410
to mutiny after this may nod and I took

803
00:40:12,450 --> 00:40:10,450
the chance to interview some of the

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00:40:16,829 --> 00:40:12,460
speakers and delegates which you can

805
00:40:20,609 --> 00:40:16,839
hear on skeptic zone 397 and 398 and

806
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:20,619
then we headed back home I'd like to

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00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,839
thank Alex chaos and his hard-working

808
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:25,119
team for putting on an interesting event

809
00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:27,790
that was at the end of the day a time

810
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:29,560
for believers in the paranormal to

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00:40:33,570 --> 00:40:30,970
gather and discuss their common

812
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:33,580
interests it was gracious of them to

813
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:36,190
have me on the bill and I think I may

814
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:39,310
have even helped open a few minds at

815
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least I can hope

816
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:55,840
[Music]

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00:41:02,300 --> 00:40:59,820
it never ends a friend starts talking

818
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about his new Reiki Master and someone

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else posts about another all-natural

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cancer cure that they don't want you to

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know about as skeptics we dedicate a lot

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of time trying to protect those around

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us but there's a way you can reach

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millions the realest skepticism on

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Wikipedia is a group that is working to

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keep the best skeptical information at

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join us training a self-paced and fun

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Facebook group you'll be educating the

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world in your sleep to find out more

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email us at GS o w team @ gmail.com

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guerrilla skepticism the time is now

834
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well it's come to our attention that

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there's a spell being put about cast a

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spell to bind Donald Trump and all those

837
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:06,710
who owe bet him apparently this is a

838
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:09,570
doing the rounds of the internet it's

839
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it's quite funny it's quite it's quite a

840
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lot of fun really I don't think Donald

841
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Trump has anything particularly to worry

842
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about people chanting spells but i

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thought i would read this out yes it is

844
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an interesting thing it sort of crosses

845
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into the paranormal in a big way i think

846
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and it's a bit odd because i was told

847
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once quite bluntly by a witch that they

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don't actually cast spells it doesn't

849
00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:36,660
work that way apparently so make of this

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you

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a spell to bind Donald Trump and all

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00:42:55,340 --> 00:42:51,780
those who owe bet him version 2 to be

853
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performed at midnight on every waning

854
00:43:01,760 --> 00:42:58,830
crescent moon until he is removed from

855
00:43:06,220 --> 00:43:01,770
office the first ritual takes place

856
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Friday evening februari the 24th oh damn

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at the stroke of midnight this binding

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spell is open source and may be modified

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to fit your preferred spiritual practice

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or magical system components in other

861
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:27,690
words where you'll need unflattering

862
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:33,420
photo of Trump small Cairo card from any

863
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:38,460
deck tiny stub of an orange candle cheap

864
00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:43,320
via Amazon pinned or small nail white

865
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:47,300
candle representing the element of fire

866
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:50,700
small bowl of water representing element

867
00:43:58,940 --> 00:43:54,210
water small ball salt representing

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element earth feather any representing

869
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:03,420
element air matches or a lighter ashtray

870
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:08,610
or dish of sand optional piece of pyrite

871
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:13,770
fool's gold sulfur black thread for

872
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:17,400
traditional binding variant baby kept

873
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:20,970
baby carrot baby carrot as substitute

874
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:24,880
for orange candle stub Baby Gap

875
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:29,690
preparation right Donald J Trump on the

876
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:33,940
orange candle stub with a pin or nail

877
00:44:41,230 --> 00:44:38,090
arrange other items in a pleasing circle

878
00:44:44,130 --> 00:44:41,240
in front of you lean the tower card

879
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:44,140
against something so it's standing up

880
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:48,170
vertically say a prayer for protection

881
00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:50,810
and invoke blessing from your preferred

882
00:44:58,980 --> 00:44:54,619
spirit or deity or whatever one's

883
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available I guess ritual version 2.2

884
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light white candle and says sound effect

885
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here hear me o spirits of water earth

886
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,460
fire and air heavenly hosts demons of

887
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:16,880
the infernal realms and spirits of the

888
00:45:25,540 --> 00:45:20,720
ancestors light inscribed orange candle

889
00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:25,550
stub I call upon you to bind Donald J

890
00:45:32,050 --> 00:45:28,670
Trump so that his mehling that works may

891
00:45:37,390 --> 00:45:32,060
fail utterly that he may do no harm to

892
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:37,400
any human soul nor to any tree tree nor

893
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:41,359
to any tree animal rock stream or sea

894
00:45:49,090 --> 00:45:45,770
ever try me bind him so that he shall

895
00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:49,100
not break our polity usurp all Liberty

896
00:45:55,870 --> 00:45:51,950
or fill our minds with hate confusion

897
00:45:59,320 --> 00:45:55,880
fear or despair and bind to all those

898
00:46:03,609 --> 00:45:59,330
who enable his wickedness and those

899
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:03,619
whose mouths speak his poisonous lies I

900
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:06,710
beseech thee spirits bind them all as

901
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:10,609
with chains of iron bind their malicious

902
00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:13,850
tongues strike down their towers of

903
00:46:22,660 --> 00:46:18,830
vanity invert tower tarot card iris each

904
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:22,670
thee in my name say your full name

905
00:46:32,060 --> 00:46:26,190
I beseech thee in my name in the name of

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00:46:35,690 --> 00:46:32,070
all who walk crawl swim or fly of all

907
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:35,700
the trees the forests streams deserts

908
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:38,310
rivers and seas and in the name of

909
00:46:45,460 --> 00:46:41,430
justice and liberty and love and

910
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:45,470
equality and peace bind them in Chains

911
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:50,430
bind their tongues bind their works bind

912
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,450
their wickedness like the small photo of

913
00:46:59,840 --> 00:46:56,640
Trump from the flame of the orange

914
00:47:03,350 --> 00:46:59,850
candle stub and hold carefully above the

915
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:03,360
ashtray speak the following loudly with

916
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:06,510
increasing passion as the photo burns to

917
00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:09,570
ashes getting exciting

918
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:15,870
so mote it be so mote it be so mote it

919
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:18,900
be blow out the orange candle

920
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:21,210
visualizing Trump blowing apart into

921
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:25,410
dust or ash rough isn't pinch or snuff

922
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:28,130
out the white candle ending the ritual

923
00:47:33,490 --> 00:47:31,410
grounding and disposal afterwards ground

924
00:47:36,110 --> 00:47:33,500
yourself by having a good hearty laugh

925
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,120
yes I think that would help jumping up

926
00:47:41,150 --> 00:47:38,880
and down clapping your hands stomping

927
00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:41,160
your feet and having a bite to eat I

928
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:43,830
like the last bit grounding is very

929
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:45,690
important don't neglect this and

930
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:48,440
remember he hates people laughing at him

931
00:47:54,140 --> 00:47:51,030
finally burn the orange candle stub and

932
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:54,150
disregarded at a crossroads or in

933
00:48:01,780 --> 00:47:55,730
running water

934
00:48:08,660 --> 00:48:06,770
so there you go I don't think the Secret

935
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:08,670
Service have anything to worry about if

936
00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:10,650
people sort of wander around in the

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00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:14,040
nighttime chanting that spell rather

938
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:15,780
than chanting spells I think people

939
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:17,880
should be more politically motivated to

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00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:20,130
do things legally and through the

941
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:23,220
political process if they want to if

942
00:48:26,990 --> 00:48:24,450
they want to make their thoughts known

943
00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:27,000
about the administration then there are

944
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:29,160
proper ways to do it I think which are

945
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:31,380
far more effective than chanting and

946
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:33,660
doing that they can them they can even

947
00:48:38,170 --> 00:48:36,450
run for office themselves or encourage

948
00:48:41,660 --> 00:48:38,180
other people to vote how about that

949
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:41,670
anyway that's enough for magic spells

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[Music]

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have to attach some strings to put it on

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone and thank you first hang on to

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00:49:55,130 --> 00:49:52,589
listen to the magic spell the binding

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spell and thank you for all those people

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who wrote to me during the episode yes

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that the seafood was really nice and the

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white sauce with the vegetables Oh an

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old favorite now earlier on today that

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Sunday the twenty-sixth of februari when

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i'm recording this here in australia we

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had in the morning nor through the late

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night to morning we had gio george

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herbert my old friend he had his 500th

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episode no BS podcast it was live it was

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live on Facebook it was fantastic and

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right towards the end one of his guests

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was none other than our own Maynard who

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used my studio here at the skeptic zone

977
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to do his life bit to geo a link in the

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show notes check it out Maynard was

979
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really funny it was a great segment I

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was sort of hiding off-camera passing

981
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him things a live video hookup geo and

982
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Maynard and congratulations Geo 500

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celebrate 500 episodes to find an

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week's episode of the zone a special

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